Why I went
After about 18 months at HMX Media I decided I needed a change. I’d worked on some good projects there but I felt like I needed to move up to the next level. I’d imagined that one day I might get to work on films but while I worked in Manchester this seemed like a bit of a dream. In Soho I walked past places like MPC and Framestore every day, which made the idea seem a lot more realistic.
Although my roles had been getting more specific in each job, I still felt like a bit of a generalist. I could edit a bit; I had been using After Effects for 18 months solid and I could encode and master.
I started looking for new jobs. To begin with I didn’t narrow my options. I was looking at editing roles, graphics roles, production roles and even jobs in machine rooms but I had the same problem with all of them. The bigger companies didn’t want people who could do a bit of everything. They wanted you to have a few solid years experience in whichever role you were applying for.
Ever since I had started tinkering with After Effects at university, I had always been interested in visual effects and HMX Media had definitely changed my direction from editing to compositing. At some point I must have realised that if I was going to make it into films it would be in visual effects rather than editing.
I thought I should set my sights high and aim for the big VFX houses in London: Framestore, DNeg, Cinesite and MPC. I considered applying for runner positions but talking to a guy who was running at Framestore, I realised that I couldn’t really afford to take what would be a pretty big pay cut.
I can’t remember how I first heard about Escape Studios but I didn’t make the decision to go there quickly. I think I first just discounted the idea completely because of the expense but as other options dried up and I became more decided that it was compositing that I wanted to do, I started to consider Escape again.
Escape Studios is a commercially-run school that runs courses aimed at getting people employed in the VFX and gaming industries. They offer a range of full-time and part-time courses. I was tempted by the part-time evening courses or the VFX course, but after several conversations with the staff at Escape and a trip to the open day, I decided I had to go for the full-time compositing course.
The course cost £8,500 and ran five days a week for 12 weeks, so not only was it expensive but it meant I wouldn’t be earning a wage for three months either. I was in the fortunate situation of already living close to the school and having a sum of inheritance that would cover the fees and help me with my rent. I also have a very supportive girlfriend who helped me out too. I decided that spending a large amount of money for a relatively short, fixed length of time was more manageable than being on a runner’s wage for a longer, unknown timeframe.
The course
Unlike the VFX course at Escape, which covered quite a range of disciplines (camera tracking, modelling, animation, texturing, lighting etc.) the compositing course was aimed directly at compositing. But because the larger companies were unlikely to hire someone who had no feature film experience as a compositor, I was told that after the course I should expect to be hired as a paint and roto artist rather than a compositor. The course had been designed with this in mind.
There were eight people in our class, although there was room for 12 and there was a huge range in experience between us. Several of us had already been working in the media industry, using things like After Effects and Photoshop and wanted to move into film. There was also an independent film maker who wanted to learn more about visual effects for his own projects and then there were several people who had no experience in any kind of graphics at all.
The course was based entirely in a classroom and ran 10:00 – 17:00. Our teacher was Mark Pinheiro, who had designed the course. He was friendly and knowledgeable and could hold your attention well. There were several other guys who came in to teach Silhouette and camera tracking as they had more experience than Mark in these particular packages.
Each morning Mark would start the lesson by showing a behind-the-scenes feature from a DVD. The feature that he picked would be related to the topic that he would be covering that day. He would then discuss the topic and demonstrate points with some very well designed examples. We would then spend the rest of the morning working through some more examples while Mark walked around giving individuals assistance. After lunch there was usually another set of examples from Mark and then we would work on our ‘project’ shots for the rest of the afternoon. The format was not quite this formal but this was an average day.
The ‘project’ shots were shots that we worked on for the length of the course. We all picked different elements from the library and created our own composites, adding to them as we learned new skills. By the end of the course, most of us had three or fours shots that we completed to a high enough standard to use in our showreels. The classroom stayed open until 21:00 each night so students could continue to work on these shots after lessons.
Probably the best thing about the course was the material that we got to work with. Because the course aim was to get people ready for jobs in the big London posthouses there seems to have been a lot of co-operation from them. All of our example shots used footage from movies donated by Framestore, MPC, dNneg, Cinesite etc. and there were folders and folders full of plates and CG renders that we could use for our project shots.
What was covered
The overall structure of the course was very well thought through and covered all of the essential topics a compositing course should.
In our first week we went through the maths for all of the basic operations: premultiplying, layering, colour corrections, etc. It was all much simpler than I had thought and I could work a lot of it out in my head. After Effects had hidden a lot of this from me but Shake forced you to think about it. This knowledge made it much easier to understand other topics and applications during the course.
We spent a week on rotoscoping technique and almost all of this was done in Silhouette, which was great as it is what Framestore uses.
Then we spent several weeks learning rig removal techniques. We covered all of the basic patching techniques as well as exploring some of the 3D projection options in Nuke. This included 2D tracking, paint tools, warping and colour matching techniques. We also spent a few days covering basic camera tracking and how to get our cameras into Nuke.
After covering keying technique in quite some detail we went into less detail for the more advanced topics but we touched on a lot including retiming, grain management, video issues and showreel tips.
We started the course using Shake because it was still the standard compositing application at the time but also because it was pretty simple in how it worked, each node only did one thing. This made it easy to work out what was happening for beginners.
Nuke hadn’t taken over from Shake in 2008 but Mark had used it enough to transfer most of our Shake knowledge over. By the end of the course we were using Nuke as standard and had started to use its newer features like the 3D space. A lot of the time though Mark was learning Nuke with us as we went along, which wasn’t a bad thing.
Although the classroom wasn’t a particularly exciting space it was pretty well kitted out. We all had decent machines running Linux. We only had one monitor each but they were a good size. Getting used to the Linux setup was really useful and allowed me to hit the ground running when I started at Framestore.
Since leaving the course and working at Framestore I have found one issue with the course. Although the paint techniques that we learned were good, the standard to which we worked was way off. At Framestore they stress that our paint work should change the plates as little as possible but at Escape we were taught that we could get away with changing large areas if it made it easier. We were also told we should never have to paint frame-by-frame and were therefore never taught any techniques for this. I had to learn this at Framestore and once I had, it was an invaluable skill. The hardest rig removal shots that I have done could never have been done in any other way.
Conclusion
I learned a lot in my 12 weeks at Escape. A lot of it I could have learned from other sources but having direct contact with a teacher who had worked in the companies you were aiming for was an ideal way for me to work.
I think my prior experience helped me get more from the course than the people who were starting from scratch but the ones who applied themselves, continued learning outside of the lesson time and knew what they were aiming for did well too.
Within a month of leaving the course, I’d got a job in the paint and roto department at Framestore. I wouldn’t have got the job here without some kind of extra training but I think the Escape course gave me an extra confidence that I might not have got from online courses.
I’m not going to say that Escape is the right choice for everyone but when I think back to my decision to go I have absolutely no regrets.
Check out the reel I had at the end of my Escape course, most of the 3D electronics and sports stuff is from my job at HMX Media but most of the live action plates are from Escape.
really useful article this. I didn’t realise you’d been to escape also. I also actually like the fact that this is posted two years hence as without this intervening time you wouldnt really be able to speak with such authoriry on the personal value of the course to you and your current position.
Glad you enjoyed the report. It was useful being able to look back and seeing where I’d gone since finishing the course. I’d like to say it was planned but really it has just taken me 2 years to get a site together 🙂
Thanks for writing this.
I am still in the decision making phase but I will take what you have said on board.
Thanks again.
After reading this article I think you might be the right person to talk to, as I am already working as a roto artist from past 1 year in MPC Bangalore but I want to do compositing, will the compositing course from Escape be the right thing to do?? and will it be helpful for me to find a job as a compositor over there in London?
Hi Sonam,
The course is aimed to get you into a paint and roto position in London so if you have a year of experience already you shouldn’t need to do it to get into a paint and roto department. You would learn some good rig removal techniques if you haven’t done much paint work but you would be better trying to get a job in roto and learn on the job. Doing the Escape course is unlikely to get you a compositing job in a big London house.
I think Indians need a visa to work in London and the government has recently reduced the number available. It is unlikely that a London company would offer to sponsor someone as a roto artist or a junior compositor.
Good luck,
Hi conrad 🙂 I read now your experience at the Escape, so i figured out that after this school you don’t find any job in london. I’m italian and I checked all forums to find impression of the Escape and believe me I’m a little confused… I’m unsure between the evening course in compositing or the mentored course online in compositing (40 weeks) and after I would like to work in london….Some advice? And do you know if Escape would give to me a frequency certificate after a course? Sorry for my english 🙂
Hi Sarah,
After Escape I did find a job. I started working in the paint and roto department at Framestore within a month of finishing the course. If you want to work in London then the Escape course is very useful.
I think the evening courses only cover a few topics. They don’t go into as much detail as the full time courses.
I don’t know much about the online courses. I’m sure they will be good but 40 weeks is a long time.
When you say ‘frequency certificate’ do you mean something that shows that you attended the course? They give you a certificate but I’ve never been asked to show it to anyone I work with, and they keep a record of your attendance so they can tell any companies who want a reference.
Hope this helps.
Really Sorry…. I understood wrong reading the reply to sonam , however thank you very much your reply was very useful :)!! Last question i read in the site that in the full-time compositing course you learn a little bit of shake, pf track, nuke and other programs… all these softwares in 12 weeks? how did you find it? Because i would like to use only nuke. Thanks again for your time
The course was very good a teaching the theory behind the software which made it easier to learn different packages. We only spent a few days in PF Track and Bojou, just to get an understanding of tracking. At the time Shake was still being used at most companies and it wasn’t certain if Nuke would be the replacement so it was important to learn them all. I doubt they would spend as much time in Shake now that all of the big companies in London have moved to Nuke.
I didn’t think it was too much. We spent enough time using all of the important pieces of software and it’s good to know a range.
Your article has been really usefull! I Have just one question: only graduate can attend the intensive courses? Because after high school i’d like to go there directly!
There are no qualification requirements to take the course so you don’t have to have a degree.
The only thing I would think about though is that most people at Escape seemed to be in their 20s, I’m not sure if this would be a problem but you might be a bit younger than everyone else.
Hi Conrad,
This is a great site – thanks for taking the time to put such useful information together in one place.
I’m about to begin a career change and am looking at courses at Escape.( I found your site through them) I’m trying to decide which course might be best and I was interested by something you wrote in your article :
“I was tempted by the part-time evening courses or the VFX course, but after several conversations with the staff at Escape and a trip to the open day, I decided I had to go for the full-time compositing course.”
This is pretty much the decision I’m trying to make. The evening course looks more attractive on the time and costs front ( so less risk involved) but do I really stand any chance of getting a job after it ? ( I have no media experience, coming from a completely different field)
I’m going to head up to Escape soon and get more detail from them, but anything you have to offer on this from the student perspective ( and with your experience in the industry), would be really helpful.
Thanks for your time.
I had a couple of reasons to pick the full time compositing course over the evening class VFX course:
Back when I had to make the decision Escape weren’t running a compositing evening class, just a VFX class. I knew I wanted to be a compositor, not a 3D artist, and the VFX course was aimed at 3D stuff. If you are just getting into the industry you really need to learn about all the different roles and decided which ones you are interested in and concentrate on them. When you start it’s easy to think you can learn everything but it’s almost impossible to get great with that approach. With every job I’ve done I’ve narrowed my field. This doesn’t mean I haven’t kept learning, even about other parts of the process, but by the time I started Escape I knew it was compositing that I wanted to be doing. Of course this whole paragraph is pointless because they do both VFX and compositing evening classes now.
Another reason I took the full time course was because I really wasn’t enjoying my job at the time. I was worried that If I spent much longer at HMX I’d really go crazy. I needed to make a break. I also had to regularly work late, which would have interfered with the course. By resigning and taking the full time course I was making the commitment I needed to make sure I saw it through.
I really enjoyed how thorough the full time course was. I liked being able to get stuck into stuff for hours. I’m sure the evening class would be good but I can’t believe you’d get quite as deep into topics.
Let me know what you choose.
Hi Conrad, Just came across your article.. Interesting read.. 3 questions:
1.do you think you would have gotten into Framestore if you hadn’t got the experience at HMX media?,
2. Any idea what proportion of Escape grads actually get into jobs?
3. Did Escape help you with your search?
Reason I ask these questions is I’m a 3D generalist, with alot of software knoweldge, I’ve worked mainly on small projects, and have had a really tough time getting into the industry.. I’m guessing this is due to not having big company experience.. Even though I might have the skills.. Or maybe I have no idea.. Thought about Escape, but the costs are astronomical.. All pretty scary and confusing.. 🙂
Hi Gio,
Yes, but I don’t think I would have progressed at Framestore as fast as I have. There was a guy on my Escape course who had only worked in recruitment and hadn’t even used Photoshop before. He got a job at Framestore a few weeks after I started and he is now compsiting at DNeg.
I don’t know overall but out of the eight people on my course, I know five of them are working in the industry. Of the other three, one I think is directing his own stuff but I’m not sure, one was never cut out for the work and I don’t know what the final one is doing.
Not really. At the end of the course the teacher did give us advice on our reels and a list of names and companies to contact. The recruitment team at Escape didn’t help me much. I only got one day of freelance rotoscoping through them. They did pencil me in for several other jobs but they kept falling through. One of the other guys on my course did get quite a lot for freelance work through them so they can’t be all bad.
I found out about the job a Framestore from one of my course mates who had heard that they were looking. I luckily got my CV to them on the day before they closed applications.
Good luck with the job hunting,
Hi Conrad,
I know there is a HUGE difference in the disciplines but I am looking at the VFX production course from escape.
currently i have no industry esperience, and a degree in a field that has nothing to do with VFX. However, I have been using Maya and tracking software for a couple of years and have researched this industry as if i’m doing my own master course!
My question. Would someone like me be able to come out of escape and compete for a job or is escape really a “top up” institute for people with degrees from bournemouth or bradford for example?
thanks,
Oh, and good luck in Canada
From what I’ve seen most people who have done a specific VFX based degree at Bradford or Bournemouth wouldn’t need to go to Escape. I did a much less specific degree so I did use Escape as a kind of “top-up”.
That being said, there was a guy on my Escape course who had been working in a recruitment agency. I don’t know what he’d studied but he had no experience in the industry, he hadn’t even used Photoshop before. The his learning curve was a lot steeper than mine but within a couple of months of finishing the course he was working with me in the paint and roto department at Framestore. He’s now compositing at DNeg.
They do design the courses to cater for complete beginners so you will be fine.
Good luck.
Wow. I’m in the States and the fact that someone who can’t even use Photoshop got a job at Framestore after a couple months, really hits me hard considering I studied 4 years at an art school for animation and live action with an 80K loan to payback.
I just sent you a message Conrad, but after reading this I had to post. I guess this is what separates the States from everywhere else. Big falsely advertised universities that take your money and leave you unemployed and in debt, versus courses from Escape or online schools like fxphd where I’m currently continuing my education. By the way, how much was the Escape course?
You’re an inspiration to leave the US and work somewhere else haha. I may have been too harsh with some of my comments, and I do think college was useful in some areas, but there were never any courses designed for compositing other than 3D modeling, animation, and video production. I know a little bit of everything, which I know you said studios don’t look for.
I am also an editor/compositor with a lot experience in different software packages who is also making the change after being stuck in a place somewhat similar to HMX. I feel your pain! 🙁 How long did he work at Framestore before moving onto DNeg? I would love to work there sometime soon after getting a visa and paying for my flight, etc. Just to get an idea, what is the annual salary in USD for a roto artist as well as compositor?
Thanks again for keeping your site updated and having all the useful info.
Cheers.
The big difference between a course like Escape and a university course is how specific Escape is. Everyone on the Escape course knew that it was compositing that they wanted to do. We knew that we weren’t going to learn anything about modelling or animation.
When I was studying multimedia at Nottingham Trent I didn’t even know what compositing was.
I wouldn’t say that Escape was a replacement to university. I’m glad I have a wide knowledge base behind my compositing training, but if I knew from the start that I only wanted to be a compositor I could have got there a lot quicker (and cheaper).
The Escape course cost me £8,500 ($13,188 US at today’s rate) at the time. I don’t know if the prices are the same today.
The guy who now works at DNeg was in paint and roto at Framestore for about 2 years.
I don’t know what the paint and roto guys get paid now but when I started there I was on £19,000 ($29,470 UD at today’s rates). There were others who were on less, about £17,000. I had moved up to £23,000 by the time I moved to comp.
Wages can vary quite a lot though depending on experience, what work is available and negotiation abilities.
Hi Conrad
Great read, very informative! I see you’re now at MPC Vancouver, I’m currently a runner at MPC London on the commercials side. I am using Nuke now and have helped out on a few projects doing small things like marker removal and basic comp. I’m also training after hours on the film side using Silhouette. I’m very interested in the Escape course but do you think the price is worth it considering my position? I really can’t gauge how long it’ll be before I get into either a paint/roto position on the film side, or junior comp on the commercials.
Cheers
As you are already in the door at MPC and you are training while you earn some money I’m not sure Escape would be worth it. I would probably stay at MPC as long as I felt I was improving and moving closer to getting a permanent paint and roto role.
Hey Conrad, first of all, thanks much for a very usefull article. Especially for me, who is right now considering of taking the course. I have a few questions for u 🙂
1. What is your experience about the chance people could get a job after the comp course at Escape. Is it true their website said 85% of their students found job within 12 months?
2. How is the demand for junior compositor in London right now?
3. Beside the skill it require, would it be a problem to get hire by companies if ur english is bad? (“bad” means u still can understand the term and phrase in the field, but just not influence in talking or hearing well)
4. Does Escape provide lunch during the class?….^.^
Hi Quang, I’m glad you liked the post. Let me try and answer the questions:
There were eight people on my course, of those eight, five were working in VFX studios within a couple of months. All five are still working now as far as I know.
Of the other three, one always wanted to be an filmmaker back in Portugal and is doing that. I don’t know about the other two but they didn’t seem to be quite so serious about the industry during the course anyway.
I don’t know about right now. I’m currently in Vancouver where demand is quite high. I know a couple of big projects in London have been delayed and that has affected several of the big companies. In general the job market is good but there are always quite times, then busy times.
Communication is very important but there are many people working in London who’s first language isn’t English.
No, but there is a canteen in the building and many places in Sheppards Bush to buy lunch.
Hi Conrad
Thank you for the post in which you share your experience, this is very interesting and if I may I would like to ask you a few questions. I am in my 50s and held senior positions in MARCOM. I have international experience (USA, Europe, Middle east, North Africa) and my background is from multimedia design (I have a degree in Architecture but moved to interactive design and marketing communications/advertising). Yes, I saw it all happening in the old days, when CD Rom was the media of choice, Macromedia was running the show with Director, Photoshop didn’t have any layers! then the net came and we had to learn it all over again 🙂
I am now looking forward to a career change, going back to my first passion, exhausted with the corporate world, endless meetings where nothing gets really resolved etc!. I am considering taking the next August class in London and I would like to know if you have met people my age or a bit younger working in the field? My goal is to learn and rapidly move up the ladder maybe in management and/or starting my own business. I would love it if you could share your point of view regarding age in the industry and if you think it could be a barrier to landing a junior position after completing the course.
Thanks again Conrad!
Cheers
Karim
Karim
Hi Karim,
Sorry it took me a few days to reply.
I hadn’t really though about age in the industry before but now that I do it does seem that most people that I work with every day are probably in the 25-40 age bracket. This is probably due to the fact the industry isn’t very old, especially in London and Vancouver where I have worked. The average age of the senior management in the companies that I have worked is probably higher than that though.
That being said I would hope that your age wouldn’t be too much of a barrier. Everyone that I have worked with are pretty open and accepting of everyone’s different situations.
The speed of progression through the ladder of seniority can vary a lot based on your ability and the companies and projects you end up working for.
If you want to get into management it is typically a very different rout to if you want to work as one of the artists. It seems that senior manages come through the production side of the business. The route into production is generally something like this:
The progression as a 2D artist goes something like this
Obviously this is a genera situation and is based on the bigger VFX companies. The smaller companies have much less defined roles.
In summery, you might raise a few eyebrows applying for junior jobs at 50 but I’d like to think that it wouldn’t hold you back. As long as you can do that work you should be fine. But if you want to get into management. That being said, doing the course and getting an experience of the process would be useful either way.
Hope this helps
Hi Conrad. I’ve read Your story and i think its very useful as it gives a point of view from the ‘average person’ Who has to make choices that might be difficult to take, choices and questions that most of us have, including me.
You see, i my self got attracted by the vfx world very recently, i always had an ammiration for cg and vfx but i never went above that, also due to not knowing anyone Who actually is in the vfx world, or even just has it as hobby, i never really got anyone to encourage me or give me just a positive feedback about it. I am now 21 so im not that old Anyway, but unfortunately i have no experience at all in vfx, i only really use Photoshop at an amateur level, just as a hobby really with the basic tools.
I am interested in the Visuall Effects Production course, but i am worried that i might not be able to fully assimilate all of what the course will be offering due to my lack of even the most basic knowlege and also due to the fact that english is my second language (im Italian and therefore my main language is Italian) and even thought i do have a good knowledge of english it still is far from beign close to a native english persons level.
I had a talk with the escape people and they said it Isnt really that Big of an issue but id really like to know from a point of view of someone who has been at Esc studs as a student, i wouldnt want to spend that kind of money if then i would only be able to take benefit from 70% of the course, hope you understand what im trying to say. I want to be sure i will fully understand and assimilate all of the information the course will give.
Also i Was wondering if you know anybody that has done the vfx production course with a situation similar to mine (minimal or no vfx experience), and if they are now working or further learning etc.
One last thing, i should go do the course at around march of next year, is there anything i can do to learn at least some of the basics by that time? I Was thinking of downloading After Effects and the trial of maya, get some beginner guides and just go trought the guide with maybe some practical work at the end of each lesson/chapter, would it be the right thing to do, or you would do differently? (considering that you’d have no knowlege of any program)
Thank you for reading this and for eventually replying.
Best regards.
Raffaele
Hi Raffaele,
I think you will be ok to take the course. There were several people on my course that had absolutely no experience with any kind of image manipulation. One person had quit an office job and had never even used Photoshop. He was working at Framestore within a few months and is now compositing at Dneg.
There was also an Italian on my course who’s English was quite week. He seemed to do pretty well and managed to follow all of the main points so I think you will be ok. He was working at MPC the last time I heard.
It is definitely worth learning as much as you can before you start the course, that way you can spend your time learning the more advanced ideas. There is no After Effects at Escape, or in the feature film industry really. You would be much better off trying to learn Nuke, which is the standard compositing package in the industry at the moment. I had never used Nuke before I went to Escape, only After Effects. My knowledge of After Effects was useful, and the basic principles are the same, but the way of working in Nuke is very different.
Good luck!
Conrad
Really useful Conrad, thanks. After reading this I have made up my mind to do the evening compositing course. I’m 32, in a totally different industry looking for a career change. I have done some clips using final cut and more recently nuke. They were music videos and just personal projects. I am 100% keen but have found it really hard to get into the industry. I managed to get a week work experience running at The Mill which was really lucky, but the feedback I got was that they wouldn’t be able to take me on full time because of my current experience in compositing. I have a full time job that i cant leave unless i can walk straight into another. Anyways I’m hoping that if I do this course and get a few other projects done, I may have better luck.
With everyone else’s questions and the feedback you provide this site is awesome. Really helpful. Cheers Tane
Thanks for the feedback Tane. I’m glad you found my site useful and encouraging. Good luck with the Escape Course.
Hi Conrad,
Thank you so much for a very useful, your experience in Escape studio course really great.
I am recently graduated Animation student at the University for the Creative Arts in Farnham in 2010 animation course. I been find job animation company in London very hard take Job not easy but been very very few work experience animation company.
I been thinking try join Escape studio Visual Effects Production course, I am very interested but have worry because if i pay course fee worth £9,975 then when finish course maybe don’t Job mean waste money or can more chance will take Job in London?
Visual Effects Production course must sound? Because I don’t hear.
I want Job in London like Realise Studio, Framestore, MPC and other.
Can you advance me how right go?
Thanks for your time.
Hi Spiros,
I am sorry it took me a while to reply to your message.
I can’t say for sure that the Escape course will get you a job in London but I do think it will definitely improve your chances. They have consulted the London companies and designed the Complete Compositing course very well so that you had the skills that the companies wanted when you had finished.
The Visual Effects Production course covers a lot of topics but doesn’t seem to include much animation. If it is animation that you want to do then it might not be worth your time or money, but if you want to do something other than animation it would probably be a good foundation. You should call Escape and speak to them about what you want to achieve. They were very helpful before the course. They know it is a big commitment for the students and want to make sure you do the right thing.
As for working with audio, I think animation is the only area that would usually use audio. As a compositor we almost never have the audio for the shot that we are working on. The only time I have needed to work with sound was when I was adding cold breath to actors while they were talking. It is rare.
I hope this helps,
Conrad
Hi Conrad,
This is a great article, I must tell you I keep going through this blog to read your reply for all the questions asked. I had many questions and most of them are answered in some or the other reply you posted. Thanks for that.
Coming back to my question..
I’m not sure if my question is slightly off the topic but I’m sure many International students would have this in their mind.
Which country is more suitable for International students for studying as-well as working, UK or Canada? (considering strict work permit issues in UK)
How difficult is it to study in UK and find a job in Canada (I’m from Bangalore,India..three different geographical locations makes it one scary decision to pursue my goal)
Have you heard about CGMA?
I was pretty sure I would join Escape to attend Visual Effects Production course, but then I found a BRAND NEW Academy in Canada, CG Masters Academy,New Westminster, BC opening for students January 2013 (http://academy.cg-masters.com/) I do feel very positive about it but its scary since I have not been able to find any other details and I don’t know anyone from the industry or otherwise in Canada. Since its first batch will be starting January 2013 there are no reviews by students or any other industry experts. I was hoping to know if you have heard of the academy and is it good idea to commit to a new academy. Then again if I’m not studying in Canada it will be Escape 🙂
Thanks again for all your insights and feedbacks.
Cheers
Alok
Hi Alok,
I’m glad you found the article and the other comments helpful.
I don’t think it is very hard to study as a foreigner in the UK. There are lots of foreign students. The only issue would be the cost. There are work restrictions but I don’t know how easy it is to get a working visa. I know certain countries can get working holiday visas for young people.
I found it relatively easy to get a work permit for Canada but I already have several years experience in VFX. It wouldn’t be so easy for a beginner but I know lots of people who come here on working holiday visas and then try to get residency once they are here. I know there are also a lot of foreign students here.
As a beginner I think it will be hard for you to find any company that is prepared to sponsor you and sort out a work permit. You will have to either try and get your own (like a working holiday visa) or gain some experience in India before you try to work elsewhere.
I haven’t heard anything about the CG Masters Academy. The website doesn’t look very professional. It is always risky to be one of the first students on a course. My university course was quite new when I took it and there were lots of little issues because of that.
The Escape course is quite short and concentrated. I think it is a good way to learn specific things. A longer course would cover a wider range of topics.
Hi Conrad!
I will join this army of people that have thanked you for your answers. I am too in a process of raising money to attend Compositing for Production at Escape. I read your post and it really did help me make my final decision. I also attended their VFX Festival this year (I came all the way from Croatia) and was really impressed by the professionalism and the organisation. The topics were various and great. There will be one next year too.
I don’t know if you would agree with me on this one but, I got the impression that Escape has some sort deal, or at least is in fequent contact with major VFX companies (DNeg, Framestore, Cinesite, The Mill, MPC…). In other words they can give a good reference if one is to seek job in one of them. That is aslo one of the reasons why I think people in general find it worthwhile investing in their education at Escape.
I would also like to ask you what your thoughts are on the current situation in the VFX industry, do you think that the worst period is over, or it has yet to come.
Thank you again,
Iva
Hi Iva,
I’m really glad that this post helped you make your decision. It’s good to hear from people that have found it useful.
The courses at Escape have definitely been designed with the help of the London companies. The compositing course was tailored to give people the right skills to get into the paint and roto departments or junior comp. You also get to work with a lot of real footage that the companies have donated from past projects. It is really useful to work with actual production footage.
I don’t know if Escape will give formal references but they do have lots of contacts around London. The courses are respected by the companies so it will definitely help you find work afterwards.
As for the state of the industry, I am really not sure how things are going to work out. London seems to be quiet at the moment. A couple of big projects have gone bad and have been delayed. There are always quiet times of year so I hope this isn’t permanent. I’m sure things will pick up again when next years movies ramp up.
Vancouver is pretty busy at the moment and as long as things at DD work out I think it should be fine here for the foreseeable future. I don’t want to rest on a my laurels though so I’m taking some FXPHD classes for the first time so I keep learning.
Hey conrad, thanks much for a very usefull article. I have decided to take the comp course next year at ESC. My only question is how do I prepare myself ? Is there any book or tutorial u would like to suggest, that I have to been through prior to the course?
Hi Juanji,
Check out the list of books that recommend here: http://conradolson.com/books-and-other-publications
I would start reading the Ron Brinkman book as preparation for the course. The first week of the course will cover a lot of the same basics as this book will cover. I bought the book when I started the course and read it as we went along but it could only help to read it in advance. It is basic enough that you could read it without prior knowledge.
The Steve Wright book goes into more detail and won`t make as much sense until you have got familiar with basics.
I`m not sure if the links I have on that page point to the most recent editions of those books so double check.
Hey, Conrad
This helped me a lot, thanks!
hi Conrad My name is venkat i will come is uk pls send Escepe studio course Detail and fees structure in compositing course send me detail venkatachalam8122@gmail.com pls
You need to go to the website to get the details. I went there 7 years ago so don’t know the details.
https://www.pearsoncollegelondon.ac.uk/study/short-courses/course-list.html
Hi Conrad,
Thank you so much for the article, its really helpful. I am planning to take the short course ” Compositing for VFX ” in coming months but I am only concerned about the Job assistance after finishing of the course as I am from India, there are work permit restrictions in UK. I am having Experience in Maya, Photoshop & After Effects and I am having Good knowledge in Roto, Paint, 2D Tracking & basic compositing in Nuke. After the finishing of course, Is there any possibility to get a Job in UK as a Roto / Paint artist or Jr. Compositor, if not in UK, is there any chance of getting a Job or internship in any European country ?. Please help me with your advice..
Thank you again,
Half of my class from Escape were working in one of the big London VFX companies within a few months of finishing the course, and the other people had other plans and weren’t trying to work in London. There seems to be plenty of work happening in London right now so as long as you get a good showreel together from your course you should be able to find work in paint and roto, or maybe jr comp.
I don’t know anything about how easy it is to get a work permit for the UK. This might be your biggest issue. I know companies can sponsor work permits for foreign artists but they don’t usually do it for juniors. This might be your biggest problem.
Hi Conrad,
Your website helped me a lot, but i have some queries. First i would like to tell you my background.
1)Currently i have 2 years of experience as a Roto-Artist in Anibrain, India.( 2014-2016)
2)Feature Film Compositing Course from Anibrain XDI (2013)
3)Passed 10+2 Examination in 2013.
4)Passed 10th Examination in 2011
Now i am planning to take Compositing Course from Escape Studios for advancement of my career. My goals are to work as a compositer in studios like Framestor/MPC in london. But basically i have not completed my graduation and is it really important ?
I would like to request you that please guide me like which course should i choose – Short-term course/ Undergraduate course to achieve my goals.
Also suggest if you have any better plan.
Thanks and Regards,
Gaurav Jadhav,
India
Hi there,
I don’t know anything about the Anibrain course. I just looked it up on Google and it seems to cover all of the same stuff that the Escape course would cover. I don’t know if you would learn anything new from Escape. Maybe the standards are different, but I can’t tell. If the Escape course is the same as the Anibrain course then it probably isn’t worth spending your money on. If you already have a showreel that shows you understand all the basic techniques then you could apply for a junior comp job, or a position in paint and roto.
Generally VFX companies don’t really care about your degree. If you have a good showreel, that is what is important. However when I moved to Canada having a degree was an important requirement for my work permit application. I don’t know how easy it is for someone from India to get a work permit for the UK, but you should check the requirements before you make a decision about your education.
It is possible for a company to sponsor you for a work permit but they would only usually do that for a senior artist. They aren’t likely to do it for a junior.
Good luck
Obviously everything has been changed since 2008.
Total useless! I highly wouldn’t recommend Escape Studios as well as Pearson College London. Level of the courses is very low and the price is really high. Tutors are incompetent, swearing in the classes, ending lectures anytime they want without even notice. Commercial tasks, lack of knowledge, atmosphere of ignorance and silencing problems.
Full story: http://behindescapestudios.co.uk
hey Conrad
many thanks for your article. i learn houdini several months by myself and i am a rookie. i want to learn Houdini about digital effects and find a work in London. now got a offer MA digital effects 2021 in bournemouth university. can i ask you some question.
1. i notice that some students’ showreels from bueiness VFX school are much better and professional than bournemouth’s, such as Lost boys studios and think tank training school. Further more, students’ showreels in bournemouth seems get worser than couple years ago. i wonder if i should go and learn it.
2. do you prefer learning houdini in UK or Canada? i realised that canada has more job options in VFX but now UK also have the work permit for international students.
many thanks for your article again.
Hi Jaden,
I’m afraid I can’t answer your first question very well. I don’t know anything about the Bournemouth course really and I haven’t seen any of the reels from the students there. I know there are some good students from Lost Boys and Think Tank, but they are very expensive private schools, and there are a lot of not so good students from those places too. Each school often has particular strengths too and I don’t know which is best for Houdini.
I have never learned Houdini, I only really use Nuke. So I don’t know which is a good school, or where the best jobs are. I do know that there is a lot of work in Vancouver at the moment. Places are getting busy again.
Sorry I can’t be more help.
thanks for your answer!! i am so appreciate that!! i would word hard, study hard and hope one day i could be a professional, successful VFX artist like you.